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Newly discovered planet may host human settlers

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Postby Cracked Pleasures » Thu Apr 26, 2007 1:21 am

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Postby Miserable Liar » Thu Apr 26, 2007 1:48 am

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Postby Cracked Pleasures » Thu Apr 26, 2007 3:06 am

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Postby elko » Thu Apr 26, 2007 9:47 am

CP, bear in mind that we are intelligent life and yet we are nowhere near able to get in contact with planets outside our solar system (which in terms of space would be a miniscule distance). So I think it's possible that there are others like us around somewhere.

It would be nice to think we could all go live on this new planet once we have fucked up Earth beyond repair (possibly already?), but it is 20 light years away.... I think by the time we had the technology to get there, we wouldn't have any Earth left to stand on.
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Postby rubygirl » Thu Apr 26, 2007 1:26 pm

Actually we barely know our 'own' solar system...

we are not sure if some forms of life exist on the planets around us - even if not intelligent life forms.

besides, the idea of having some other place 'for evacuation' can be quite tricky - we have put our own planet and our own lives in danger and now people can try to take comfort in the vague idea of 'escaping' this world that we have wasted - and changing it with something else to exploit. Instead of focusing on how to save what we have, because this planet offers the ideal environment for our form of life...anything else would be less than perfect, if actually possible.
I know how scientific discoveries can be exciting, how tempting the promises of sciences sound...but science has done us at least as much bad as good. And science without a soul can be a very destructive force.
But not to delve into abstractions...

- we are not really able to reach and study the nearest planets - I mean, I doubt if humans will lay feet on Mars or Venus in the near future;
- there have been ideas about 'using' Mars as a 'substitute' Earth - it's close (relatively), though a bit colder, it has similar size and composition as the Earth, it is proven that it has had water at some point - and may still have underground waters. And there are even projects how to use microorganisms to exude oxygen in Mars's atmosphere so at one point it can have enough to host life forms such as ours.
- we are far from the prospective of reaching even the star closest to us ( alpha from Centaur), let alone one that is 20 light years away. BTw, they suspect that even our closest star neighbor has planets orbiting around - though exoplanets are indeed very difficult to be discovered, as they don't reflect enough light and are not visible from such a distance (only if they are huge enough they can be recognized as small spots in front of the respective star).

I don't want to sound negative here, I'd love to see more from space, I'd love many new things to be discovered and made known - but always bearing in mind that we should preserve our own blessings ...

And I suppose there are many life forms in the universe - as one said, it's would be a great waste of space otherwise ;)
But maybe they are very different from us - we people tend to have the idea the 'extraterrestrials' are something like us - maybe shaped a bit differently, but nothing more. Well, I find this hard to believe.
They may be too far away.
The closest to us may not have evolved enough to travel to another star system - like we are not able to ourselves.
Or they may not be interested - if they are highly evolved, some primitive self-destructive life form may not be their greatest concern... ;)

Not to mention the many theories of extraterrestrial being coming from space and giving some special knowledge to the ancient people, helping them build the pyramids, etc... which is a different story :P
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Postby Cracked Pleasures » Thu Apr 26, 2007 3:12 pm

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Postby Miserable Liar » Thu Apr 26, 2007 9:28 pm

It is amazing to think about this new planet. Maybe a different language which is so hard to understand. Maybe they make paper out of rock, maybe they don't know what music is, maybe they thought of mobile phones before us, computers may be a phenomenon that we can show to them, maybe we can have msn conversations with them, file transfers may take centuries to send, their currency may be exchanging leaves, a star may be their version of god, but more importantly...........Cannabis may be legal.
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Postby Miserable Liar » Thu Apr 26, 2007 11:55 pm

Maybe their cannabis is purple. Maybe they smoke it up their nose? :blink:
Earth v2 would be cool. Plus it would be better to say "What planet are you from?" rather than "What country do you come from?" Lets hope we don't make them become slaves and whip them, no earthism should take place! I wonder what the equivalent of a female human would look like, 6 breasts with multi-coloured nipples?
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Postby Cracked Pleasures » Fri Apr 27, 2007 12:34 am

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Postby chicken » Fri Apr 27, 2007 8:24 pm

-i believe water in the form of ice has been discovered on the poles of mars. i could be wrong on this, but i'm almost positive i've read about this before.

there's still a lot we don't know about our own planet!! (or, more properly, the gracious planet who has generously decided to host us homo bacterius) just this week i read a new theory about why mass extinctions occur every 65 million years here.

as if we are the zero point, gad. :D folks, please....everything has to mirror us? i smell a monty python skit in here somewhere.
we haven't even figured out how to govern ourselves, let alone really know anything about space and other planets. what's to say aliens aren't walking amongst us at this very moment, watching? maybe they've figured out how to vibrate on a different level/plane so that we can't 'detect' them? maybe one of them broke their sacred code and whispered something in Einstein's ear while he slept? i'm just saying it is hubris to believe we've got things figured out.


as for your question, CP, i heard an estimate on the tele the other evening, but was too zorked out on pain killers to recall accurately. i remember them saying it could be done within the span of one lifetime, but only it we could travel at the speed of light. (rather obvious, now that i see it typed out as such) :P :lol:

my guess is that space travel as we know it today will never ever get us there. there's preliminary evidence of how an extended period of time in space / away from gravity and/or earth's magnetic fields will result in degredation of human DNA. provided i understand it correctly, what this means is that all of the DNA in our bodies would start to unravel/degrade to the point where normal cell replication would cease. that would be....like....uhhh.....fatal. :ph34r:
so until we find a stargate or learn how to fold space, i think the ability of humanity to explore strange new worlds is profoundly limited. makes sense when you think about it: we are earthlings, not spacelings.

of couse you all know that NASA exploys highly imaginative and creative people to generate ideas of what extraterrestrial life would be like, right? seriously, they do. what a fantastic job would that be?!!??!!
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Postby Cracked Pleasures » Fri Apr 27, 2007 9:39 pm

I read somewhere that due to some sort of weird scientific effect, our DNA would actually be reserved longer and thus we'd age slower in outer space than on earth. Your explanation sounds a lot more logical though, chicken, so I doubt if what I read is somewhere near the truth.

Anyway, 20 light years... and this is, in space terminology, not even that far. Imagine the hundreds of stars and planets even further away, there may be an incredible amount of planets we'll never ever know. Even with the scientific progress we make worldwide, I doubt we'll ever discover all secrets of our galaxy (and by the way, the universe is NOT endless, Einstein even calculated the exact measurements of our universe)
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