Meat Is Murder

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Postby elko » Sat Oct 16, 2004 11:46 pm

Incredibly this album was the only Smiths LP to enter at No. 1 in the UK charts. And just think how many crap bands have occupied that space since. But I digress...

So, for Meat Is Murder - The Smiths

Your favourite track:

Your worst track:

Best lyric:

Song/lyric/line you relate to most/has relevance to you:

Overall opinion of album, how it compares to others, etc.:

Feel free to add any other comments about the album.
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Postby Still Ill » Sun Oct 17, 2004 6:40 am

Ah, was hoping the next album 'review' wouldn't be up yet. I have yet to put my thoughts down on the first one! I know I can always go back, but still... Anyway, just got in and am super tired, but will look forward to this one as it's my favorite Smiths album. We owe it to the site to sink our teeth onto this thread as hopefully it will draw alot of discussion about the albums.
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Postby girl_afraid » Sun Oct 17, 2004 3:14 pm

Yay, I was hoping this one would be up soon!

Your favourite track: Either Rusholme Ruffians, Well I Wonder or Nowhere Fast. Rusholme Ruffians is one of Andy Rourke's best songs (along with This Charming Man), and it's just so funky! And it really does show how unpredictable The Smiths are - the timing is so different and exciting. Well I Wonder is a beautiful song, it's so sad and gorgeous, and I love the rain soundclip at the end. Nowhere Fast is just an excellent song all round, it has a great melody and I love the lyrics, they're so wry and sharp, like all the best Smiths lyrics <!--emo&:)-->Image<!--endemo--> What I also think is great about Nowhere Fast is Mike Joyce's drum bit in the middle, where it pans around the speakers and really sounds like a train. It's such a simple thing, but it's so effective!

Your worst track: Barbarism Begins At Home. It seems to drag on just that little bit too long, and I prefer the live versions (despite the fact that they're always even longer!). I love the way Moz descends into yelps and stuff, and seems to completely give up on singing. I'm also not that keen on the song Meat Is Murder, I think it's very good at its job, and very inventive and ambitious (like with the slaughterhouse sounds at the beginning), but musically, it isn't the best Smiths song by a long shot.

Best lyric: I think "He does the military two-step down the nape of my neck" has a lovely poetic sort of rhythm to it, and all of Well I Wonder is beautiful (despite chunks being stolen from Elizabeth Smart!). For some reason, "The air hangs heavy like a dulling wine" is like one of the most perfect lines ever written. Possibly the lyric that has the most powerful impact in my opinion though is "On cold leather seats, well, it suddenly struck me - I just might die with a smile on my face after all" because it's like no matter how crap everything seems now, you never know it might just get better.

Song/lyric/line you relate to most/has relevance to you: I think the most influential lyrics have got to be the ones for Meat Is Murder itself ("It's sizzling blood and the unholy stench of murder" etc): I'm not saying that I became vegetarian just because of Morrissey, but without him I doubt I would ever have seriously considered it. It sounds so cliched, but that song really did have a huge effect on me.
I think everyone who's ever had some form of unrequited love or been through a break-up can empathise with Well I Wonder, again, it's an example of Morrissey perfectly expressing your own thoughts and feelings in a much better way than you could ever hope to yourself.
How Soon Is Now? also is the sort of quintessential teenage song in a way, to me it's about disatisfaction with the world and adults and just about everything, and waiting for anything to happen, which I've felt many a time...

Overall opinion of album, how it compares to others, etc.: Hrm. I think it has to be my least favourite of the studio albums, because sometimes the songs feel slightly...indulgent. Barbarism, anyway. That song always seems to be a bit like a glorified jam session, if you know what I mean... One thing I do really like about this album is the way that Morrissey really starts to come into his own, lyrics-wise. It seems a bit like he's realised that songs are a really great way to get your own opinions across so he's decided to launch an attack on just about anything he can think of (meat-eaters, child abuse, education, adolescent violence, royalty...), so it seems more accomplished lyrically. And the music's more diverse too - on the first album the melodies were quite similar sometimes (the beginning of Miserable Lie and The Hand That Rocks The Cradle really are practically the sane), but every song is so distinctive and individual on Meat. It also seems more consistent than some of the others because it keeps the same sort of mood all the way through, there aren't any light-hearted-type songs like in the final two albums (Vicar In A Tutu, Framkly Mr Shankly, Girlfriend In A Coma...).
Nonetheless, I still prefer the others.

Oh, about the first album, I've changed my mind, it's my second favourite Smiths album, not third.
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England is mine, it owes me a living
But ask me why and I'll spit in your eye
Oh, ask me why and I'll spit in your eye
But we cannot cling to the old dreams anymore
No, we cannot cling to those dreams
Does the body rule the mind or does the mind rule the body?
I dunno...
Under the iron bridge we kissed
And although I ended up with sore lips
It just wasn't like the old days anymore
No, it wasn't like those days
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Postby shy guy » Mon Oct 18, 2004 5:09 pm

Best song: I have three definitive Smiths songs that I absolutely love. This album has two of them: That Joke Isn't Funny Anymore and Well I Wonder. They both have the whole package. Great lyrics, bass, guitar, and passionate vocals that I can easily sing along with, in the privacy of my own room of course. That part where Morrissey sings "I wish I could laugh," in That Joke gives me goosebumps everytime.

Worst song: Barbarism Begins At Home. I really like this song and I don't mind the length like a lot of people do but it just isn't as good as the other songs. I don't know how else to put it.

Best lyric: "Her skirt ascends for a watching eye, it's hideous trait on her mother's side," from Rusholme Ruffians. I always thought that it was incredibly clever and funny.

Song or lyric I relate to: There are two that seem to constantly run through my head in many situations throughout my life. From Headmaster Ritual, "I wanna go home, I don't want to stay, give up life as a bad mistake." From How Soon is Now, "How can you say I go about things the wrong way. I am human and I need to be loved just like everybody else does." It always seems that the places and things you're expected to go to and do in life are things I'd rather not go through. I usually feel like I do things the wrong way too (probably because I do) but I wish people weren't so cold towards me when I do.

How it compares: Meat is Murder is definitely my favorite Smiths album and probably my favorite of all time up there with The Cure's Pornography and Slowdive's Souvlaki.
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Postby Still Ill » Mon Oct 25, 2004 7:16 am

Favorite track: Well I Wonder. Nowhere Fast a close second. Absolutely gorgeous in every way, musically and lyrically. My only complaint: It's too short. I think this song should end on a fade-out with the rain and an extra long guitar, ahem, 'solo'. I love the way Morrissey's falsetto come down in the end, too.

Worst track: Do I have to pick? Maybe What She Said. Never a complaint about Mike's drumming, but maybe on this one it overshadows the song a bit. But that's it. This song has some clever lines, and I'll take whatever form of punk-laced beats the Smiths injects onto their songs. I might have just contradicted myself on this one!

Best lyric: Girl Afraid said it best: "I think 'He does the military two-step down the nape of my neck' has a lovely poetic sort of rhythm to it."

Song or lyric I relate to:
Barbarism Begins at Home: MIM came out at the height of my chronic dance-club days. It's the song I'd request or was sure I was at the dancefloor when it was played. I'm certain I'm the only fan of this song. I love the trance-like hissing sound that's continually played throughout (what is it? I don't thinks it's any percussion, but some sound looped into the song) And Andy's bass-playing? Awesome. The length doesn't bother me one bit, unlike How Soon Is Now, which IS long. Morrissey could tone it down a bit with the yodeling and yelping, I suppose.

Overall: I love the spattering of rockabilly influences throughtout: Rusholme, I Want the One.., Nowhere Fast , even on Well I Wonder.
That Joke Isn't Funny Anymore is a beautiful song. It's a long song, but I never tire of it.
It took me a long time to appreciate the song Meat Is Murder. The lyrics are intense, but unfortunately they didn't have the impact on me to become vegetarian. Still, it's powerful. There's a beautiful song hidden under the somber lyrics.
I think Headmaster Ritual is a perfect opener on this album.
I haven't mentioned What Difference Does It Make. Of course I like it, I guess the singles get all the attention.
All the emotional upheavals and longings expressed in Morrissey's lyrics are all things I experienced before the Smiths came along. Where were they just a few short years when I really needed them?!
Anyway, this-- My favorite Smiths album.
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Postby Mal_Adjusted » Mon Oct 25, 2004 8:28 pm

Your favourite track: The Headmaster Ritual

Your worst track: Rusholme Ruffians

Best lyric: Bruises bigger than dinner plates

Song/lyric/line you relate to most/has relevance to you: A crack on the head....

Overall opinion of album, how it compares to others, etc.: Not like the others. nice and rocky. great album
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Postby elko » Mon Oct 25, 2004 9:28 pm

Well I had typed a fair amount about this album, but my PC crashed and now I can't be bothered to write it all again. Suffice to say that...
My favourite tracks are Well I Wonder (beautiful), What She Said (like metal, but good) and That Joke Isn't Funny Anymore (just incredible). The only track I dislike is How Soon Is Now?, not just because it's repitive and nauseating, but because it spoils the flow of the album and it shouldn't be on there (it wasn't on original UK release). I always program it out. This is probably my favourite album, although it changes all the time.
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Postby girl_afraid » Mon Oct 25, 2004 9:45 pm

<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->because it spoils the flow of the album and it shouldn't be on there <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
YES! That has always really annoyed me, the juxtaposition of two really long tracks ('That Joke...' and 'How Soon Is Now?') just sounds wrong. The tracklisting is probably my one big annoyance with this record.

<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Your worst track: Rusholme Ruffians<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Really? Rusholme is your least favourite? <!--emo&:o-->Image<!--endemo--> I love it! You can't beat that riff really, can you? Ba-dung-dung-da-dung, ba-dung-dung-dung... <!--emo&:D-->Image<!--endemo-->
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England is mine, it owes me a living
But ask me why and I'll spit in your eye
Oh, ask me why and I'll spit in your eye
But we cannot cling to the old dreams anymore
No, we cannot cling to those dreams
Does the body rule the mind or does the mind rule the body?
I dunno...
Under the iron bridge we kissed
And although I ended up with sore lips
It just wasn't like the old days anymore
No, it wasn't like those days
Am I still ill...?
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Postby Still Ill » Tue Oct 26, 2004 6:44 am

<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Ba-dung-dung-da-dung, ba-dung-dung-dung... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well done! How could anyone not like Rusholme Ruffians?!!! I like the Peel version alot as well.

<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Well I had typed a fair amount about this album, but my PC crashed and now I can't be bothered to write it all again. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Yikes! I sympathize as it took some time to gather my thoughts on the albums, I could have gone and on. I was looking forward to all your input on this one, as I know you also rate it highly.
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Postby Mal_Adjusted » Wed Oct 27, 2004 6:46 pm

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<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Your worst track: Rusholme Ruffians<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Really? Rusholme is your least favourite? <!--emo&:o-->Image<!--endemo--> I love it! You can't beat that riff really, can you? Ba-dung-dung-da-dung, ba-dung-dung-dung... <!--emo&:D-->Image<!--endemo-->

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Ba-dung-dung-da-dung, ba-dung-dung-dung...


Well done! How could anyone not like Rusholme Ruffians?!!! I like the Peel version alot as well.



erm i never said i didnt like it. i like the song a lot. ill leave least favourite blank next time <!--emo&:lol:-->Image<!--endemo-->
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Postby vasanum » Thu Oct 28, 2004 8:34 pm

favorite track: "nowhere fast" or "i want the one i can't have".

least favorite: "meat is murder". i have a hard time taking it seriously, especially with the awful cow sounds.

best lyric: this is hard. a few pop into my mind immediately: "and if you ever need self-validation / just meet me in the alley by the railway station"; "a schoolgirl is denied / she said: 'how quickly would i die / if i jumped from the top of the parachutes?"; "what she said: ' i smoke / 'cause i'm hoping for and early death / and i need to cling to something'".

most relevant lyric: most definitely "and when i'm lying in my bed / i think about life and i think about death / and neither one particularly appeals to me".

overall opinion: i'd probably rather listen to the self-titled, but this one is still REALLY good.
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Postby tallulahtaurus » Fri Jan 21, 2005 12:57 pm

Can't believe I hadn't given my two cents of this already.

<span style='color:purple'>BEST TRACKS</span>
It has to be plural here because this is my favourtie album and thus my cup runneth over in terms of choices, the absolutely sublime <span style='color:purple'>Headmaster's Ritual</span>, with it's eerie music, in some ways it gives me the crreps the music is so haunting... dunno why really??
Also <span style='color:purple'>That Joke isn't funny anymore</span>... needless to say my favourite Smiths song of all because the music has that shivering eeriely beutiful vibe going on and I think that Morrissey's lyrics here are some of the most complex things he's ever put down I mean what exactly does the phrase "I just might die with a smile on my face after all.." mean? it could mean so many things...peerless and sublime a true musical treat!!!
Also a fan of <span style='color:purple'>Barbarism begins at home </span>- nothing beats a bit of funk, also I like the effect it has on the band when they played it live, and it's a nice bassline from Andy Rourke - his best contribution, regardless of what Johnny Marr believes.

<span style='color:purple'>WORST TRACK</span>
Hard pressed to find one here but I would say possibly that I go through stages of not liking <span style='color:purple'>Rusholme Ruffians</span> but even that is bloody superb!!

<span style='color:purple'>BEST LYRICS</span>
"This is the fierce last stand, of all I am."
"belligerent ghouls run Manchester schools, spineless b******s all!"
"What she said, how come noone's noticed that I'm dead and decided to bury me, god knows I'm ready."
"...You should know time's tide will smother you, and I will too...and on cold leather seats well it suddenlt struck me, I just might die with a smile on my face after all."

<span style='color:purple'>RELEVANT LYRICS</span>
"Iwant to go home, I don't want to stay." which I always find myself listening to on the way into work...! <!--emo&:)-->Image<!--endemo-->
"What she said was sad, but then all the rejection she's had, to pretend to be happy would only be idiocy."
"so you go and you stand on your own, and you leave on your own and you go home and you cry and you want to die."

<span style='color:purple'>OVERALL</span>Absolute favourite, a winner on all accounts, this was the era of the smiths that I really responded to intially and as such it is my favourite album ever, i would say. second would probably be the Queen is Dead, although it is head to head almost with The Smiths whilst Strangeways is least

Nowt more to say really but this album is excellence all other albums (in my opinion) ahould be judged by this standard, superb!
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Postby Sweet and Tender Hooligan » Thu Jan 27, 2005 8:02 pm

This was the first album i bought properly <!--emo&:D-->Image<!--endemo-->

BEST TRACK
"the headmasters ritual" is amazing one of the best openers for an album ever poking fun of PE hehe.
WORST TRACK
"well i wonder" probs, anyways just doesnt do it for me.
BEST LYRICS
"a crack on the head is what you get for asking"

RELEVANT LYRICS
loads of them <!--emo&B)-->Image<!--endemo-->


OVERALL
truly amazing album one of my faves along with the queen is dead (TQID)

sorry it was so short i'm quite lazy really <!--emo&;)-->Image<!--endemo-->
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Postby rubygirl » Fri Jan 28, 2005 8:44 pm

I finally got to hear this album last summer - before that I had only heard How Soon Is Now, so all the other songs were new to me. I must say I was mesmerized - I rate this album very, very highly. And it is so very different from the other stuff from the same time period that I've heard! One of the things I like the most about The Smiths is how they managed to sound so untypical for the eighthies. I consider Meat Is Murder a very deep, and very serious album - and very mature sounding - I can't believe The Smiths were so young at the time!

Anyway,

<span style='color:purple'>Fave Track:</span>
[/[/FONT][/COLOR]FONT] Almost every track, in fact. Can't really pick up one favourite. For a very long time How Soon Is Now was my fave Smiths'song ever - I listened to it way too much and it started losing some of its appeal to me. Now I am taking a break from it - when I spend some time without listening to it, I'm sure I'll fall for it again - head over heels, as they say... Still, when I want to play a Smiths'track to someone who's never heard their material, I usually choose this one - and it does impress my friends a lot.

<span style='color:red'>Best Lyrics:</span>
I totally love the lyrics to What She Said - I find them extremely funny and at the same time - very deep. A rare combination, I should say...

<span style='color:blue'>Most relevant lyrics:</span>
hard for me to say - maybe the ones to That Joke Isn't Funny Any More

<span style='color:gray'><span style='color:green'>Worst Track:</span></span>
I wouldn't characterize any of those songs as "bad" - still I must admit I listen to The Headmaster's Ritual very rarely - it just doe'sn't have the same emotional effect on me as the others. can't explai why though.
And the title track - I actually love it, but the animal sounds I can't stand - they should be dismissed.
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Postby Alabaster Crashes Down » Sat Jan 29, 2005 7:17 pm

Your favourite track: 'i want the one I cant have'

Your worst track: 'meat is murder'/'how soon is now'

Best lyric: 'on the day your mentality catches up with your biology

Song/lyric/line you relate to most/has relevance to you: 'do you hear me when you sleep? i hoarsely cry..'



I ADORE 'barbarism'. especially right before the end when the bassline changes for a second.

'rusholme ruffian's, also good.

'what she said', good lyrics, harsh guitars, like 'london'. i dislike london for this reason - it's too loud.

'how soon is now' has always bored me to death. good lyrics, but not the best. its mainly the tune that i dislike. this was the second smiths song i ever heard, and it very nearly put me off them because it was so tedious! luckily i got to hea 'what difference does it make' and was lured back in!
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