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PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2005 9:09 am
by Still Ill
Made a small comment on 'unbeatable'. Made me think there could be more discussion on Johnny's guitar playing, as a Smith.
Feel free..

PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2005 10:40 am
by elko
Or even not as a Smith?

Or even not playing guitar?

If he plays the harmonica on 'Slow Emotion Replay' by The The, I'd like to nominate that as one of the most vivid things he's done. It's right at the beginning, and you can hear it here:-

<a href='http://www.thethe.com/sections/jukebox/jukebox.html' target='_blank'>http://www.thethe.com/sections/jukebox/jukebox.html</a>

Just click the album 45RPM (that's the greatest hits btw), and you can listen to it all. Same goes with every The The track, I think.


Favourite guitar part of his would be Last Night I Dreamt... - it's so clever, I can't get my head round it. Actually, most of Strangeways' music is really underrated, the way he twists quite regular progressions into something far more original is brilliant.

PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2005 7:26 pm
by Miserable Liar
"William, it was really nothing", he intended to write a pop song and he succeeded, what a guy!
Its very start hooks on you, tis a great tune he made up of 131 seconds of pure class

Of course, thats only one of my favs!

PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2005 10:21 am
by elko
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'Tis 129 seconds, no?

PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2005 10:20 pm
by tallulahtaurus
William, Girl Afraid, Back to the Old House in my opinion,

the harmonica on Electronic's Vivid is wonderful too he does a mean bit of guitar on Get the Message and One Day by Electronic....altho I'm sure there is more amongst Electronic that I have forgotten...!!

PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2005 10:33 pm
by rubygirl
Oh, I love the harmonica on Vivid too - it absolutely captivates me now, though I needed quite some time to get into this song.
I'm totally obssessed with the intro to Girl Afraid right now - amazing, isn't it? As well as the intro to What Difference Does It Make.

PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2005 11:04 pm
by Noonan McKane
Yes, his riffs on "What Difference..", "Hand In Glove" and indeed "Girl Afraid". Class. You can't help but be amazed that no one stumbled across them before the mid eighties.

Also, his knowing, restrained time-keeping. On things like "This Night Has Opened My Eyes", "Nowhere Fast", many others.

I know it seems strange to say, given the absolute gushing awe that the man inspires in us, but I still reckon, broadly, that he's woefully underrated...

PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2005 11:21 am
by elko
Hmm, he is pretty highly regarded by the people who know stuff. People who don't know stuff can't really judge.

Have you heard any Durrutti Column? Really quite Smiths-y, I would guess Vini Reilly being a big influence on Marr. And didn't he later work with Morrissey?

PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2005 2:30 pm
by Noonan McKane
Yes, he did, but no, I've never heard them at all.

They were on Factory Records, is that right?

Don't know why I've never heard them, although I seem to remember I somehow got it into my head that they were a jazz outfit!

I take it they aren't, then?

I'm zero tolerance with that shit: 'Tough on jazz. Tough on the causes of jazz.'

I don't fall for all that: 'The fear of jazz is far more widespread than jazz itself' and 'Statistically, one has a less than 1 in 500 chance of becoming a victim of jazz'


I still believe it should be a capital crime to play the drums with a pair of egg whisks, or even to be in POSSESSION of a trumpet with a pudding-bowl over the end of it, so that it goes "pwap pappa pwappa pwa".

PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2005 3:33 pm
by Still Ill
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I'm zero tolerance with that shit: 'Tough on jazz. Tough on the causes of jazz.'



I still believe it should be a capital crime to play the drums with a pair of egg whisks, or even to be in POSSESSION of a trumpet with a pudding-bowl over the end of it, so that it goes "pwap pappa pwappa pwa".<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What a vivid description, the egg whisk thing! I have to say I've never been a classic blues jazz fan, but I did go through a contemporary jazz phase. I love hearing acoustic guitars on what I consider contemporary jazz to be, more spiffy, or jazzy! Marc Antoine and Peter White are my two favorite artists. Should search them out, they're beautiful on the ears. I love the part in 'That Thing You Do' (One of my favorite movies), where the drummer, the good guy in the movie, gets to meet his hero. He's awestruck. Love that moment. Then he gets to jam with him in the studio. Great little movie.

PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2005 10:27 pm
by elko
I guess it's jazz-influenced, at the very least. Great guitar though, sort of show-y, but Marr stylee.

StillIll, 'That Thing You Do' is an infuriating film! The song was stuck in my head for weks!

PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2005 12:25 pm
by rubygirl
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StillIll, 'That Thing You Do' is an infuriating film! The song was stuck in my head for weks!<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I reckon it to be a charming and funny movie, but that song they do in it every 10 minutes - I completely understand what you say, Elko - it would always get stuck into my head and wouldn't leave it for hours/days - even if I only catch a few seconds of it while switching channels. <!--emo&:unsure:-->Image<!--endemo-->

PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2005 4:42 pm
by tallulahtaurus
The other Electronic track I thought showcased some good Johnny guitar was Tighten Up....superbo!!

PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2005 11:31 pm
by Miserable Liar
Superbo <!--emo&:lol:-->Image<!--endemo-->
Johnny Marr is so bitchin' in me kitchen when i'm making a cup of coffee.
What a guitarist he is, I mean, how great "The Boy with a Thorn in his side", now i'm no guitar expert, but, in my opinion, that song has so much class it should be Prince Charles (Yes, Prince Charles!).
Anywayz, im off to bed caus' I have exam tomorrow, wish me luck, you total bunch of great people!

PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2005 11:45 pm
by elko
Good luck Matt, hopefully you can hold in your insanity for an hour or two.

'Boy With The Thorn' is just incredible, and provides the template, or rather the nearly-everything of my World Music Project in college,a sweet little African thing that I'll be sure to post up in The Creativity Corner when finished so you can all admire my astute plagarism, right under the nose of my Smiths loving tutor.