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Postby Boxguy » Tue Jun 05, 2007 12:13 pm

Shintaro Ishihara wrote:As far as I am concerned it doesn't matter what rights your govt. expressly grants if you don't have enough money to give you the freedom to live the way you want to.


Money as a measure of one's freedom? How does that one Red Hayes and Jack Rhodes tune go?

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How many times have you heard someone say,
"If I had his money, I could do things my way."
But little they know, it's so hard to find
One rich man in ten with a satisfied mind.

Once I was living in fortune and fame,
Everything that I dreamed of to get a start in life's game.
Then suddenly it happened, I lost every dime,
But I'm richer by far with a satisfied mind.

'Cause money can't buy back your youth when you're old,
Or a friend when you're lonely,
Or a love that's grown cold.
The wealthiest person is a pauper at times,
Compared to the man with a satisfied mind.

When life has ended, my time has run out,
My friends and my loved ones I'll leave, there's no doubt.
But one thing for certain
When it comes my time,
I'll leave this old world with a satisfied mind.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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Postby Mr-Shankly » Tue Jun 05, 2007 3:51 pm

chicken wrote:upon first read, i've two things.

first is technical: should not the arctic monkeys be treated as a proper noun?

second is somewhat technical, somewhat style: when you say <!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->not one solitary mention of the consequences
are you absoutely certain about this? absolutes can weaken the integrity of the voice because it is one form of hyperbole. there are many ways you could get your initial message across. you could really try to humanize yourself and say: "no matter how hard i've looked, i have yet to find..." or even a simple: "few, if any."

are you limited for length of the article? maybe referencing historical failures with imperialism? if you wanted, you could get all crazy with the student theme and reference ideas like: "i've been taught to learn from history" and "it is as though i'm supposed to ignore my education" see what i'm trying to get at?
just some ideas.


i'll have to give it a couple more reads to comment on the deeper issues. :)
i do like it though. it's very tight, succinct.
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I think I was wrongly too conscious of length, thanks for the feedback :) I might do a more detailed version and post it back up.
I am going to do one on Chavez and Venuzuala might post that up here aswell.
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Postby chicken » Tue Jun 05, 2007 4:07 pm

Shintaro Ishihara wrote:You must have read that on Wikipedia. The world's worse source of information. There was video of Jones showing his food supply to the cameras and in a chest was a carton of Flavor-Aide he referred to as Kool Aid. However, both were used in Jones town and on the big day, they broke out the good stuff and went for the Kool Aid.

Socialism and Communism are on a different axis. They are not mutually exclusive of each other. On his last day alive he referred to himself as socialist. As he always had.

enjoy!


as an educator, i am well-acquainted with the concept of information literacy.
yes, wikipedia is suspect. particularly given the lack of integrity some of the contributors demonstrate (such as representing themselves to have an education they do not, that sort of unethical behavior). i find that quite unfortunate, but then again, people want to be worshipped.
i've other resources in my office that indicate it was flavor-aid. having taught courses on the psychology of religion i'm lucky to have accumulated various and sundry books that address these odd-ball things. please don't assume i'm so naive as to assign wikipedia 'last authority' status because i certainly do not.

jones called himself many things; from being a socialist to being the reincarnation of both Jesus and Marx. i really don't think the man was sane enough to offer a proper assessment of himself. if you take his word as gospel that he was socialist, are you also going to believe him when he said he was Jesus reborn?
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Postby Pashernate_Lover » Tue Jun 05, 2007 5:26 pm

What does it matter if it was Flavor-Aide or Kool Aid??? A brand is a brand, a drink is a drink and it is much easier to refer to it as its commonly known brand (much like how we say 'I need a bandaid' instead of I need a small sticky bandage) or we could go completely generic and call it a fake fruit flavored water based highly sweetened liquid and it doesn't change the point in any way whatsoever. They both taste the same (from what I remember) and neither changes the overall point or death toll.
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Postby Truman Capote » Wed Jun 06, 2007 3:32 pm

Mr-Shankly wrote:<!--quoteo(post=41434:date=May 30 2007, 11:56 PM:name=chicken)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(chicken @ May 30 2007, 11:56 PM) [snapback]41434[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
upon first read, i've two things.

first is technical: should not the arctic monkeys be treated as a proper noun?

second is somewhat technical, somewhat style: when you say <!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->not one solitary mention of the consequences
are you absoutely certain about this? absolutes can weaken the integrity of the voice because it is one form of hyperbole. there are many ways you could get your initial message across. you could really try to humanize yourself and say: "no matter how hard i've looked, i have yet to find..." or even a simple: "few, if any."

are you limited for length of the article? maybe referencing historical failures with imperialism? if you wanted, you could get all crazy with the student theme and reference ideas like: "i've been taught to learn from history" and "it is as though i'm supposed to ignore my education" see what i'm trying to get at?
just some ideas.


i'll have to give it a couple more reads to comment on the deeper issues. :)
i do like it though. it's very tight, succinct.
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I think I was wrongly too conscious of length, thanks for the feedback :) I might do a more detailed version and post it back up.
I am going to do one on Chavez and Venuzuala might post that up here aswell.
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I will love to read that too. But remember it's Venezuela, not Venezuala, I am not sure if it was a typing error but still...
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Postby Ishihara » Wed Jun 06, 2007 9:34 pm

Pashernate_Lover wrote:What does it matter if it was Flavor-Aide or Kool Aid??? A brand is a brand, a drink is a drink and it is much easier to refer to it as its commonly known brand (much like how we say 'I need a bandaid' instead of I need a small sticky bandage) or we could go completely generic and call it a fake fruit flavored water based highly sweetened liquid and it doesn't change the point in any way whatsoever. They both taste the same (from what I remember) and neither changes the overall point or death toll.


Thanks for bringing us back on track... much needed...
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Postby chicken » Wed Jun 06, 2007 10:26 pm

Shintaro Ishihara wrote:<!--quoteo(post=41539:date=Jun 5 2007, 10:26 AM:name=Pashernate_Lover)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pashernate_Lover @ Jun 5 2007, 10:26 AM) [snapback]41539[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
What does it matter if it was Flavor-Aide or Kool Aid??? A brand is a brand, a drink is a drink and it is much easier to refer to it as its commonly known brand (much like how we say 'I need a bandaid' instead of I need a small sticky bandage) or we could go completely generic and call it a fake fruit flavored water based highly sweetened liquid and it doesn't change the point in any way whatsoever. They both taste the same (from what I remember) and neither changes the overall point or death toll.


Thanks for bringing us back on track... much needed...
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indeed.
thanks pashy.

and pete, i think i would love to read what you have to say about hugo just as much as TC. :D
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