Islamic Music

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Postby chicken » Tue Aug 02, 2005 6:36 am

as with any major religion, there are various branches of Islam. the music is question comes from the Sufi branch of the religion. neither extremist nor conservative nor imperialist, the Sufi's are all about mysticism. "what the listener needs to hear in our music, the listener will."

i discovered this music purely by accident. by looking up one artist on the internet, i found Nusrat. now, close to ten years later, i have been sent [now get this, it gets freaky]: the son of the first artist i was looking up doing a cover of Nusrat. {enter X-File zone: both the father and the son died at the same age, both of drowning in a river!!!!!!!!}



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Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan was a tremendously large man, which was his undoing in the end. his family has sung "Qawwali" music for like nine generations. the music originated in the 1300's-1500's as love songs and devotional poems to Allah. those songs and poems were sung the same way, again and again.

<a href='http://nusrat.com/' target='_blank'>Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan</a> this is a page about his work.


if you go to amazon.com and search for him, you can find sound clips.
he performed with a troop of perhaps ten to twelve. the instruments included drums, harmoniums, (and VERY RARELY anything else), except lots of rhythmic clapping. it is a 'call and return' vocal style wherein the lead vocalist will sing one line and the remaining troop with sing it back to him. sometimes they do this several times....the intent is to bring the listener past the words and into a deeper meaning. "what the listener needs to hear..."
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the lyrics of one song may be only twenty lines long, but the song may be 23 minutes. intermixed among the lyrics are Nusrat doing some extemporaneous "scatt". i'm not sure what other term to use. scatt is the only i know. he makes these punctuated repetitative noises, it's inspiring.

this music has been sung for hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years.
and i absolutely positively love it.
(i'm telling you, and trust your uncle chicken here, when the man sang, he left this earth!)
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it would go to a desert isle with me.
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it's a repeat, but i love this picture:
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the samples you find on the internet are muted and muffed. i hate them. the real music is wonderful, truly awesome.

pm me an addy.
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Postby rubygirl » Tue Aug 02, 2005 9:17 am

Trying to get us hooked, mister! <!--emo&;)-->Image<!--endemo-->

I have heard some songs of his some time ago, I think I liked them. But now I know where from I can take some whole albums by Nusrat, so I'll try them very soon. <!--emo&:D-->Image<!--endemo--> - and then will have a proper opinion.
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Postby elko » Tue Aug 02, 2005 9:29 am

I agree, that is a wonderful picture!

I think I have heard a few clips, at least, when I was studying world music in college I heard stuff from pretty much everywhere. Will certainly check round Fopp, they usually have stuff for a fiver from pretty much anywhere in the world.
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Postby chicken » Wed Aug 03, 2005 10:54 pm

i was trying to find tim buckley when i first found nusrat.
hearing jeff, tim's son, try a cover of nusrat is wondrous. it's a live recording and when he starts, you can hear the crowd laugh at it, as if it were a joke. but jeff continues and boy howdy does he work his guitar hard. about a third of the way through the track he really lets loose some vocals and crowd is all hip hip hurrah for the song now. it's quite cool.

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i'd be a false qawwali listener if i didn't share my adoration.
i mean seriously, for those of you who play an instrument: a 23-minute song? i can't imagine that.


they say people would fall into ecstatic trances during his performances, and i know he performed far more often in europe/asia than america. i've one disc of his performance at royal albert hall (i think that's what it's called)....which is just.....o my goodness.
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kk. i feel better. i'll halt this trance--errr, i mean rant-- here, thanks.
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Postby Cracked Pleasures » Thu Apr 20, 2006 7:26 pm

Peter Murphy of Bauhaus converted to Islam and his solo work is greatly inspired by Sufism as well...

Did you know though that Muhammed has forbidden music? I am not sure why, but apparently it was considered a dangerous way of spreading 'wrong' messages... In Iran music is still forbidden (some local artists exiled in order to be able to continue making music) and as far as I know Saudi Arabia's music scene is also strictly clandestine...
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Postby chicken » Sun Aug 20, 2006 5:30 pm

from my understanding of Islam in general, things that can become subjects of idolatry can be considered 'forbidden'--this would include ART. i think it really depends on how literally one translates ancient texts.

anyway, yes i've renewed my lease on property in this watershed. wikipedia has <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nusrat_fateh_ali_khan" target="_blank">this</a> to say about Nusrat. Jeff Buckley had <a href="http://www.liquidgnome.com/JeffBuckley/nusrat.html" target="_blank">this</a> to say in a somewhat 'official' release. but his best words were <a href="http://www.sonymusic.com/artists/JeffBuckley/JeffBuckley_add.html" target="_blank">these</a>. plus i found him performing in london on youtube (parts are really quite amusing because the audience is shown again and again, and one can easily spot the 'stiff upper lips' conservatives doing everything they can to keep from going zonkers ecstatic).

however, as one could guess, not a lick of this is sung in a language 99.9% on this forum speak--it is sung in Urdu. so if you are a lyrics fan this isn't for you. otherwise, i think jeff buckley's description if most apt.
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Postby rubygirl » Mon Aug 21, 2006 9:14 pm

This sort of music is so very atmospheric....

I don't care about lyrics that much, even if I understand nothing is OK - atmosphere & emotion is what really counts...
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Postby Cracked Pleasures » Tue Sep 19, 2006 12:29 am

Does anyone know Natacha Atlas?

She is one of my favourite folk performers. She brings a very unique mix of western dance music with mysterious middle-eastern music. Her music is dancable and catchy, but has the mysterious sound that makes you dream away to the small alleys in Teheran or to a mysterious tea house in Anatolia. Natacha Atlas was born in Brussels (Belgium) and is of French-Egyptian decent, in her music she mixes cultural influences from all these countries. The result is very nice, I'd advise to give her music a try. Check http://www.atlasi.co.uk for a few videos. On YouTube I'm sure you can find a few songs as well. Her biggest commercial successes were "Mistaneek (je t'attends)" and "Mon amie la rose", the latter having become a big hit in France and the French-speaking part of Belgium.
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Postby irishbloodirishheart » Mon Oct 23, 2006 7:13 pm

i got into sufi music, and Nusrat when i was working in orphanages in India and they used to use sufi music as lullabies to calm the children adn put them to sleep. i love Nusrat now, expecially Yeh Jo Halka Saroor Hae

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Postby chicken » Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:11 pm

irishbloodirishheart wrote:i got into sufi music, and Nusrat when i was working in orphanages in India and they used to use sufi music as lullabies to calm the children adn put them to sleep. i love Nusrat now, expecially Yeh Jo Halka Saroor Hae

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omg.
i love you. someone who knows nusrat!! close to 1/3 of my music time is spent on nusrat, been really getting into "Kehna Ghalat Ghalat to Chhupana Sahi Sahi" lately.
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Postby rubygirl » Wed Oct 25, 2006 10:20 pm

Cracked Pleasures wrote:Does anyone know Natacha Atlas?

She is one of my favourite folk performers. She brings a very unique mix of western dance music with mysterious middle-eastern music. Her music is dancable and catchy, but has the mysterious sound that makes you dream away to the small alleys in Teheran or to a mysterious tea house in Anatolia. Natacha Atlas was born in Brussels (Belgium) and is of French-Egyptian decent, in her music she mixes cultural influences from all these countries. The result is very nice, I'd advise to give her music a try. Check http://www.atlasi.co.uk for a few videos. On YouTube I'm sure you can find a few songs as well. Her biggest commercial successes were "Mistaneek (je t'attends)" and "Mon amie la rose", the latter having become a big hit in France and the French-speaking part of Belgium.

I know the thread is about Nusrat who is something very special - but I saw this post and couldn't resist posting - I truly love Natacha Atlas - she's got a very specific voice, the songs are so very interesting & rhythmic ...and I also think she a very sexy lady, though maybe not in the conventional sense - I especially like
<a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=j-o4Eh236w4" target="_blank">Amulet </a>

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<a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=S1s7X00WQgw&mode=related&search=" target="_blank">Yalla Chant </a>
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Postby irishbloodirishheart » Fri Oct 27, 2006 4:45 pm

chicken wrote:<!--quoteo(post=35406:date=Oct 23 2006, 07:13 PM:name=irishbloodirishheart)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(irishbloodirishheart @ Oct 23 2006, 07:13 PM) [snapback]35406[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
i got into sufi music, and Nusrat when i was working in orphanages in India and they used to use sufi music as lullabies to calm the children adn put them to sleep. i love Nusrat now, expecially Yeh Jo Halka Saroor Hae

xxx

omg.
i love you. someone who knows nusrat!! close to 1/3 of my music time is spent on nusrat, been really getting into "Kehna Ghalat Ghalat to Chhupana Sahi Sahi" lately.
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:D i love you too :D
and i love the way Nusrats songs run into each other, and you feel like you could get lost in it!!

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Postby Cracked Pleasures » Wed Nov 01, 2006 7:21 pm

rubygirl wrote:<!--quoteo(post=33671:date=Sep 19 2006, 12:29 AM:name=Cracked Pleasures)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Cracked Pleasures @ Sep 19 2006, 12:29 AM) [snapback]33671[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
Does anyone know Natacha Atlas?

She is one of my favourite folk performers. She brings a very unique mix of western dance music with mysterious middle-eastern music. Her music is dancable and catchy, but has the mysterious sound that makes you dream away to the small alleys in Teheran or to a mysterious tea house in Anatolia. Natacha Atlas was born in Brussels (Belgium) and is of French-Egyptian decent, in her music she mixes cultural influences from all these countries. The result is very nice, I'd advise to give her music a try. Check http://www.atlasi.co.uk for a few videos. On YouTube I'm sure you can find a few songs as well. Her biggest commercial successes were "Mistaneek (je t'attends)" and "Mon amie la rose", the latter having become a big hit in France and the French-speaking part of Belgium.

I know the thread is about Nusrat who is something very special - but I saw this post and couldn't resist posting - I truly love Natacha Atlas - she's got a very specific voice, the songs are so very interesting & rhythmic ...and I also think she a very sexy lady, though maybe not in the conventional sense - I especially like
<a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=j-o4Eh236w4" target="_blank">Amulet </a>

&

<a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=S1s7X00WQgw&mode=related&search=" target="_blank">Yalla Chant </a>
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Someone who knows Natacha Atlas, finally! B)

Yes, she's kinda sexy (in some of the countries she gets influences from, she'd probably not be able to perform even with her usual clothing ;) ) especially in that Yalla Chant video she's very pretty.

But it's about the music eh, and that music is very unique. A very unique multicultural artwork, unlike anything else. I love her song "Bastet" most I think, but also "Mistaneek" (album version without French lyrics) and "Yalla chant" and "Mon amie la rose" and... oh, so many others. She's great.
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Postby rubygirl » Thu Nov 02, 2006 7:45 pm

Cracked Pleasures wrote: I love her song "Bastet" most I think, but also "Mistaneek" (album version without French lyrics) and "Yalla chant" and "Mon amie la rose" and... oh, so many others. She's great.


Oh, I love Mistannek too... and still have lots of songs to discover, she was recommended to me by a friend I actually met online, who then happened to live in the same city & and study at the same uni - psychology ;)
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Postby Cracked Pleasures » Fri Nov 03, 2006 5:59 pm

Definitely check Bastet, very mysterious yet catchy song. And Amulet's a great one as well!
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